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Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Anti-Homosexual Bill In Uganda Causes Global Uproar ABC NEWS



Anti-Homosexual Bill In Uganda Causes Global Uproar

The Proposed Bill Could Punish Homosexuals Who Marry With Life In Prison

By DAN HARRIS and KATIE HINMAN

March 10, 2010—

Standing onstage in black velvet robes, despite the stifling heat in the open-air church, Pastor Martin Ssempa's face is a mask of disgust.

"Anal licking!," he shouts, directing the crowd's attention to the images of hardcore gay pornography that he's projecting via his laptop. "That is what they are doing in the privacy of their bedrooms."

"Everything having to do with eating of poop&heterosexuals do not eat poop," Ssempa said. "And if they do, they are misguided, they are not real heterosexuals. We don't practice, that's an abomination. It's like sex with a dog, sex with a cow; it's evil."

SORRY NO ROSY QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT EYE PROPAGANDA HERE!

Homophobia In Uganda

Ssempa's animated style has made him one of the most popular preachers in the African nation of Uganda. But it's his virulent homophobia that's put him at the center of an international uproar. The pornographic images, which reduced some of the churchgoers to tears, were meant to whip up support for a bill under consideration in Uganda that would make some gays and lesbians eligible for the death penalty.

COMMENT: YES PEOPLE WEPT OUT TO GOD TO SAVE US FROM THE GREAT PUNISHMENT COMING ON THE EARTH WHEN THE SINS OF SODOM ARE PRACTICED. WE ARE BAFFLED HOW ANYONE CAN DEFEND THE ABOMINABLE? EZEKIEL 8.10 ..and He said to me "go and see the wicked abominations they are doing there"

The bill was introduced several months after a visit by several American evangelicals, who spoke at a conference called the "Seminar on Exposing the Homosexual Agenda."

One of them was Scott Lively, a pastor from Temecula, Calif., who believes that countries like Uganda can still protect themselves from what he sees as the scourge of the gay agenda.

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"These are good Christians; better Christians than there are here in the states," says Lively. "They care about each other. And I think the reason they're pushing so hard on this law is that they don't want to see what happened to our country happen over there."

He told the conference's audience, made up of teachers, social workers, and politicians that "even though the majority of homosexuals are not oriented towards young people, there's a significant number who are. And when they see a child from a broken home, it's like they have a flashing neon sign over their head."

Lively, who is the president of Defend the Family, is also the author of a book called "The Pink Swastika", which argues that the Nazi Party was a homosexual movement.

Uganda to Consider Passage of The Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009

"If you deny and reject the design of your own body," he told the conference, "and you engage in conduct that is self-evidentiary wrong and harmful to you, then you're going to receive in your body the penalty which is appropriate. Can anyone say AIDS?"

Also at the seminar were two American men who claim gays and lesbians can be healed, including Caleb Brundidge, a minister who says he lived as a gay man for ten years.

"I say that no one is born gay and anyone who wants to change can," said Brundidge, who works for the International Healing Foundation in Bowie, Md. "No one that has same sex attraction, they didn't choose to have that. I'm living proof. Change is possible. I changed from that lifestyle to the one I'm in now. That's not a gay lifestyle, it's a straight lifestyle."

Brundidge was joined by Don Schmierer, who serves on the board of Exodus International, another group that works with people who want to reverse their homosexual attractions. Schmierer declined to be interviewed by ABC News.

While there, the three American Christians also met with members of the Ugandan parliament.

NOTE: DONT BLAME THESE GUYS..THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHO DAVID BAHATI IS. SO HILARY AND BILL CLINTON CAME TO UGANDA..DO WE BLAME THEM TOO?

Months later, a bill was introduced called The Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009.

The bill creates a new category of crime called "Aggravated Homosexuality," which calls for death by hanging for gays or lesbians who have sex with anyone under 18 and for so-called "serial offenders."

NOTE;HERE COMES THE SCARE THE MOTHERS! I AM ON RECORD TO MAKE SURE THAT PARENTS AND CARE GIVERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO REPORT. I SUPPORT ASPECTS OF MANDATORY REPORTING ESPECIALLY IN CASES OF CHILD ABUSE.

The bill also calls for seven years in prison for "attempt to commit homosexuality," five years for landlords who knowingly house gays, three years for anyone, including parents, who fail to hand gay children over to the police within 24 hours and the extradition of gay Ugandans living abroad.

The bill's sponsor, David Bahati, now insists the death penalty only applies to homosexual pedophiles.

"The whole thing has been distorted, " he said. "And we know that some copies of the bill have been circulated on the Internet, which are incorrect."

Bahati defends the bill's stringency. "Well it can sound tough to some people but it's acceptable to our community here. Remember that here in Uganda, 95 percent of our population does not support homosexuality."

"But also we know that we live in a global family where in America they accept homosexuality as a human right. In Uganda we don't. In America, it is illegal to be a polygamist. Here in Uganda, it is cherished in some cultures. So that is the nature of the global family," he said.

"So things that are acceptable in some societies are not acceptable in others. But we have mutual respect. But this bill was proposed by Ugandans for Ugandans. We think it is good for us, we think it is good for Uganda."

VAL KALENDE AND HER FRIENDS ARE THE LEADING PARTY ANIMAL IN TOWN. THIS IS ALL POSTURING TO DRUM UP SYMPATHY.

Gay Ugandans Speak Out

Val Kalende, a lesbian, said it's dangerous just to walk down the street. "Just the other day a colleague of mine was detained and questioned by police," she said. "Every time you come back home safe, you thank God you are safe. But then you don't know what's going to happen the next day."

Kalende said that while Uganda has always been a homophobic country, things got worse after the conference the American evangelicals spoke at.

"So those guys should be held accountable for what is happening to us," she said. "And I hope that the people in America can hold these guys accountable for what is going to happen to us if this bill ever passes."

DONT BLAME AMERICANS..ITS AN AFRICAN THING!

Gay-rights groups and governments all over the world are up in arms over the proposed bill. President Obama has called it "odious", and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made a call to the Ugandan president urging him to table it.

The American evangelicals who spoke at that event in Uganda back in March are now rushing to distance themselves from the bill.

"I do not agree with that bill at all," said Brundidge. "That's not why I went there at all."

Lively also claims he had no idea the bill was coming, and denies any responsibility for it, despite the fact that he compared his visit to Uganda to a nuclear bomb exploding.

"I'm proud of that, and I hope that the nuclear bomb spreads across the whole world, against the gay movement " he said. "Against this attempt to overthrow the family-based society and replace it with sexual anarchy. That's harmful to everyone. That doesn't mean I hate homosexuals. That doesn't mean I want everyone to be thrown in jail."

And he repudiated the notion that he empowered the Ugandan parliament to introduce the legislation. "Do you think that these people did not already have an opinion, a strong opinion, on homosexuality?" he asked. "It's a very racist perspective. It's the colonial mind-set all over again."

That's an argument echoed by the main proponents of the bill in Uganda.

"It's offensive to me," said Ssempa. "It's offensive to me that every time a black man does something good, you have to say that a white man told us to do it. That's really offensive to me. We feel that even those Americans who came here, they are wimps. And they have been blamed for this law. They've all screamed no, we have nothing to do with it. Why don't we accept that Africans can make an anti-homosexuality law? Why do you have to blame somebody else?"

The Blame Game

Among those caught in the blame game: American evangelical megastar Rick Warren, who was once a friend of Ssempa's, and who invited him to California to speak at his Saddleback Church.

Warren has since ended his relationship with Ssempa, and has also repudiated the bill, delivering this message to Ugandan pastors on YouTube.

"It is my role to correct lies, errors, and false reports when others associate my name with a law that I had nothing to do with, completely oppose and vigorously condemn," he said.

"I think that Rick Warren is misguided," said Ssempa. "I think he is typical of some American Christians who are petrified of homosexuals in America."

But the outrage in the West may mean the bill gets watered down or even killed. The Ugandan parliament will hold hearings on it later this month.

As for Lively, he says if they drop the death penalty, he'll actually endorse it. Whether the bill passes or not, the culture wars both at home and abroad promise to continue raging on.

Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Jim Burrows turtle told to listen before it speaks Uganda and sodomy

Here is a post I just sent to Mr. Jim of the boxturtle which seems to have rewritten history diproportionately crediting a few Americans including Scott Lively et al as the Christopher Columbus who discovered the naive Africans and taught us that Sodomy is wrong and that we should make a law about it all in a period of five days! Jim has inflamed the American homosexual audience with exaggerations claiming that the bill and all who support it are in for a genocide. After making an error of posting a LIE that I was going to speak in NC and then recognizing that it was wrong he posted an apology here. I wrote to him a letter thanking him for the apology but also pointed out a string of other mistakes where he has spoken without listening or even asking. Now he writes to repeat the same lies at this post and here is my post.

THE TURTLE CONTINUES TO DEFEND STATUTORY RAPE

Jesus said..they have eyes but they dont see..they have ears but they dont hear..

Jim..I am sorry your partner has HIV/AIDS and you are afraid that if you lived in Uganda he would be arrested if he infected you with HIV/AIDS. My brother and Sister died from HIV/AIDS and we did take care of them till they passed. I am now treating a brother who has HIV who thankfully is still ok. SO I am no stranger to pain and closeness with HIV/AIDS in the last 24 years.

However on the issue of the capital punishment (death penalty in the Ugandas anti homosexuaity bill..I would like to state from my reading that there are
a. Offenders and
b. Victims.
Please re-read it again as below.

3. Aggravated homosexuality.
(1) A person commits the offense of aggravated homosexuality where the

(a) person against whom the offence is committed is below the age of 18 years;

(b) offender is a person living with HIV;

(c) offender is a parent or guardian of the person against whom the offence is committed;

(d) offender is a person in authority over the person against whom the offence is committed;

(e) victim of the offence is a person with disability;

(f) offender is a serial offender, or

(g) offender applies, administers or causes to be used by any man or woman any drug, matter or thing with intent to stupefy overpower him or her so as to there by enable any person to have unlawful carnal connection with any person of the same sex,

(2) A person who commits the offence of aggravated homosexuality shall be liable on conviction to suffer death.

(3) Where a person is charged with the offence under this section, that person shall undergo a medical examination to ascertain his or her HIV status.

You actually have the right draft and when I do see it I focus on the section a)Victim is below 18 and
b) A handicapped person

Indeed the offenders may vary and their status may vary but the focus should be focused on the victim. DO YOU SEE ANY OTHER VICTIMS OR PERSONS AGAINST WHOM THE CRIME IS COMMITTED.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON THE OFFENDER AND IN THE PROCESS YOU ARE DEFENDING A PAEDOPHILE AND RAPIST.

I would like to ask what punishment in your view is acceptable for rape of a minor and the handicapped?

We have written to the committee as Uganda Joint Christian Council to make sure that this is clearly an issue of statutory rape and that the death penalty is removed. If you want that document I can send that to you.

Finally you associate aggravated homosexuality and related crimes and put them under one. I agree that equating punishment is harsh and did indeed recommend that it be substantially reduced.

Nevertheless you should not be decieved that this is the work of three Americans who came and told Africans to detest homosexuality. No this is a tradition for more than 5000 years. You would have to travell back to the acient civilizations of Timbuktu, Ghana, Ethiopea to understand where are coming from.

Of course you would like to make us look extremists so you can stirr up the fear of your readers. You continue to INSIST that we want to round up homosexuals in Uganda ..but that is just not true. We are happy with the current punishment of 12 years as a deterent for all those who practice sodomy becuase it is an unnatural act.

I know of no known case where a homosexual has been arrested and hanged for sodomy in Uganda. Yet every day in America using tax payers money more than 3,000 babies are killed (see photos) not for WHAT THEY have done, but for WHO THEY ARE!

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I wonder why your box has no room for the rights of these little ones for whom there is no one who will dare stand up for them.

May God open your eyes to see his truth. May He give you conviction to turn and be saved. That is the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, THE CHANGE WE NEED.

Martin Ssempa PHD

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